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[The Professor?]

Originally Posted by Bottle

There's no point in agreeing to let OMAR be a neutral referee who makes impartial decisions when required and then complaining when he makes an impartial decision.

That said, it is downright foolish to DQ people in a clan war. What would be better would be to play the other 6 matches that you drew at random, and give another short extension to Ilrich and 2xfire, allowing two active players to complete their game and then continue with the next round having only lost a couple of days. Let them agree on a time, and whoever doesn't make it online at that time gets DQed (either one or both, or preferably neither). If they can't agree on a time in the next few days neither of them deserves to advance anyway.

I could reiterate my opinion on the pointlessness of turning clan wars into mini-tournaments, but that will inevitably result in more posts consisting of nothing but insults, so I won't bother.

You are not a part of this. If you had wanted your opinion to matter, you would have fielded 12 players and played us. Quit being a jackass. And it's not an insult, just the truth.

As for d/q'ing llrich, I think it's retarded OMAR. While he may have missed yesterday, 2xfire has hardly been active enough compared to llrich to warrant llrich being disqualified by himself. It should have been a double d/q.

Hell, 2x barely stayed on for about 10 minutes after the scheduled time. Had llrich shown up (yes, I know he didn't) a little late they would have missed because of 2x's really small window. It's unfair to d/q llrich alone.

[The Professor?]

Also, is it just me or is 2xfire's Iphone off? He said it was 10:24 when TAO time states it was 11 minutes earlier (10:13)...So he barely even waited for llrich...

[Detonation]

Originally Posted by OMAR

Buena suerte marcos, y acerca de tu pregunta pues, si considere la doble DQ pero no la tome por el hecho de que llrich no tuvo el interes siquiera de avisar que no podria regresar, como ya he dicho el estaba aqui algunas horas antes de la hora en que supuestamente jugarian, porque no aviso?

A mi me parace que le dio flojera, no tuvo interes y simplemente no quiso hacer nada quizas por sentirse "seguro". En la otra mano tenemos a 2xfire, si falto una vez a una cita, pero por causas de la vida real, hasta ahi llrich pudo haber avanzado, pero en cambio decide darle otra oportunidad a 2x, y ahora es el que falta y hasta la fecha y hora, no hay explicacion al respecto.


No crees tu que es mejor una explicacion que no decir nada? puede prestarse a muchas malinterpretaciones, como desinteres...


Espero y entiendas mis puntos, que para ser honesto los hago lo mas neutral que puedo y para bien de este torneo.

Ok this is retarded. Let me get this straight.

You said you thought about doing double DQ but you didn't because llrich was on like 5 hours before the arranged time and he didn't let anyone know he wasn't going to make it? lol........... obviously if he didn't let anyone know he wasn't going to be able to make it was because something came up and he didn't have time to let anyone know. You don't even know what actually happened to him or his reason to have missed the time was. You're just assuming he has lack of interest in playing the game.

You're also saying you DQ'ed llrich because he doesn't have a good reason to miss the game, and 2x wasn't DQ'ed because he actually had a very good reasons( which according to you, they are real life issues) to miss both times.

Originally Posted by OMAR

What were the 3 pointers, again?

Activity
Willingness
Reasoning and Explanation(s)

Llrich does not have any of these till now, in the other hand 2x has the 3 of them.



If llrich would bother at least to explain what are his reasons this could've went to some other way, activity and willngness are VERY necessary to solve situations like this where there is no chance to solve it with gaming results.

Reasoning and explanations? lol

What does that matter to you. Either way 2x was less active, he missed 2 times, and llrich missed only one. And 2x only waited for llrich for like 10 minutes. Even 2x posted saying he thought he would be DQ.

So, your point is that you didn't DQ 2x because he had 2 good excuses to miss both times and llrich was DQ'ed for missing one time yesterday because he doesn't have good reason or explanation to justify his absence.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by The Professor?

Also, is it just me or is 2xfire's Iphone off? He said it was 10:24 when TAO time states it was 11 minutes earlier (10:13)...So he barely even waited for llrich...

The tao forum time is 13ish minutes off real time.

[The Professor?]

Ahh...never noticed. Thanks Lex.

[The Professor?]

Lol...just looked at the match-ups...

Every AL'er got their best or favorite style (except maybe 2x, who shouldn;t be there), and some of our guys got their worst style.

[OMAR]

Deto and or anybody else, there is a huge missunderstanding on your statements, there were NOT 2 times that 2x missed a prearranged game, that is why i quoted and posted every combo, get your facts straight before even trying. 2x only missed 1 official arrangement, llrich understood or "guessed" that 2x would be on in the next day without really asking first for the arrangement.

Yes, they both posted a bunch of useless vms, pms,etc but they both sucked to make the "word" clearier, hence i even had to look at both walls, taorankings and everything i could to check both of logs or any other thing that could help to solve this situation but i guess nobody cares when somebody makes an effort for free, i do not really mind since i knew what could be or happen since i took the host of this WAR that in other words is practically a flaming fest for everybody.


Anyways, yes they went 1 on 1 if we talk about missing games (perfectly well stated or correctly arranged), llrich was on a bit more just because he "guessed" 2x would be on at the same time the next day, i think is pretty much obvious that it does NOT count as a second time since 2x never verified or agreed to it, unless of course we all go straight and just take a man's word (wich i dont doubt) but without looking the the other's. I did check both parts and sides of the story and i noticed this outcome.

I perfectly stated that i would NOT let any one take a freeway no matter what the captains could say about it, hell i even went online to hunt celtic vs bax's game, also, good reminder: prof was "asking" about my decistion a few hrs before the deadline, i responded : i dont know cause i really feel if i make a double DQ on that game would be also a "strategy" for a clan... if you know what i mean..

That being said, i afirm (because i seen him online and looking at this thread when i posted) that llrich was already aware of my willingness to give this a "clean hand" instead letting it just flow. What he did later on the same day is what we are discussing now, he logged off, never posted or said anything to anybody and simplely disappeared.

In the other hand we had 2x a few hrs later (on time for his game) waiting on rev, and posting for a few minutes here. Willing to get the game.

So yeah i checked EVERYTHING i could to give the fairiest outcome for both clans, i reckon that my decistion may look a bit polemic but only if you see as if you were on 1 side: TB's. If you look the facts and statements from the contenders from a neutral point, im pretty sure you would "at least" dont discard this possibility since its all there, there is only a need to look beyond than what a common member of any team would look at.

I honestly do not know if bottle really did all this search (same as i did) to give such as risky comment about my decistion, seems a bit strange to me that he, being an ex-moderator would state himself in that way without even looking at the evidence straight, but oh well i think he is going by his own game on this thread and not really trying to help or at least being neutral.


Im sorry for TB, but this is NOT my fault or AL's, i think you should blame your own team mate for making us work a bit more , it could have been way less if he would have been online to either get the game or at least state that could NOT do it. At the time, do we have something yet? that is the difference, perhaps 2x missed 1 game, but we got something right after and he kept going and coming back, llrich has not, simple as that. Activity.

Originally Posted by The Professor?

Lol...just looked at the match-ups...

Every AL'er got their best or favorite style (except maybe 2x, who shouldn;t be there), and some of our guys got their worst style.

Oh well, the rosters are all lined just as YOU sent them to me, i only used randomyzer org to spread the names and get the brackets, then the styles.

If you want to blame because of that as well, please be my guest.

[The Professor?]

2xfire was active for one day, for abour 1 hour. That's it.

Regardless if llrich missed the last time, 2x missed AT LEAST 1 before. Not to mention he wasn't active as much as llrich was before yesterday. It is an utterly stupid decision on your part to disqualify llrich just because he missed yesterday. Do the other 5-6 or whatever days not count? Because llrich sure as hell was a lot more active than 2x, and seeing as they BOTH missed a scheduled time, at the very least it should be a double d/q.

And don't be a retard OMAR, that example with me was referring to Bax vs. Celtic. The situation with those two was completely different than the situation with llrich and 2xfire.

You are making idiotic comments and examples to try to help you in this situation where you are clearly in the wrong. Reverse the decision already. Make it a double d/q.

EDIT: To reiterate my point, even 2xfire acknowledges he wasn't that active for his match. So based on that, and based that they BOTH, remember, BOTH being the key word, missed 1 time, they should be disqualified. How this escapes you OMAR is beyond me...

[_Darkness_]

Originally Posted by OMAR

llrich was on a bit more

Originally Posted by 2xfire

Sorry I couldnt be more active throughout to get the game played before the last second

Originally Posted by OMAR

llrich has not, simple as that. Activity.

lol?

Originally Posted by OMAR

Im sorry for TB, but this is NOT my fault or AL's, i think you should blame your own team mate for making us work a bit more , it could have been way less if would have been online to either get the game or at least state that could NOT do it.

You're justifying your poor call because llrich made you "work a bit more"? 2xfire was not online when he missed his scheduled time, what's your point?

Originally Posted by OMAR

i dont know cause i really feel if i make a double DQ on that game would be also a "strategy" for a clan... if you know what i mean..

I don't know what you mean.

[The Professor?]

He means we want llrich to be DQ'ed because he is a poor player and we don't need him. Whereas 2xfire is a beast and if AL were to lose any more players, especially someone like 2xfire, it would totally work to our advantage.

Is that right?

[Celtic34]

amazing how our entire team got their worst styles and their team got their best styles this must be karma for winning too many games in round 1

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

give me an "ee"

e

give me an "ex"

x

give me a "tee"

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what does that spell? EXT(ension)

I know this is a super serious war where no DQs will ever be tolerated, but which is more harmful? Pages upon pages of bickering and excuses for either losing team, or just carrying one match over. It happens in every big tournament; roll with it.

[OMAR]

Aci, if you would bother at least to read the whole sentences you would get something extra than just your quotes, i perfectly understand what is your side and i repeat my position that is obviously with NONE of you but is also not against ANYBODY, wich seems to be the part that you do NOT understand.

Your quotes are perfectly selected just to give an idea, pretty much obvious by the way but i can handle your oposition, so i really dont mind.

I have stated how many times? 4 or 5 at least in the same day? that i was aware that llrich was the one more active IN the beginning, but then it was backwards eventhough he knew it was a deadline time and that this is a war, also, as previously stated and mentioned, llrich made a guess to be on the same time in the next day to wait for 2x without asking for a confirmation, then posted about being online "again" wich leads yet another issue for non-readers and 1 sided opinions like yours.

My point, my question and my detonator is: why, him being acknowledged of the situation would just blow up "his previous work" to try to get the game in and just disappear?

I take that as a lack of interest from him, just as any other tournament host would , or as in any other contenders situation where is the one who is "present" that should advance .

Originally Posted by The Professor?

He means we want llrich to be DQ'ed because he is a poor player and we don't need him. Whereas 2xfire is a beast and if AL were to lose any more players, especially someone like 2xfire, it would totally work to our advantage.

Is that right?

LOL

Nope, my sentence there was referring to bax vs cel, i dont know why aci quoted that to redirect it on this llrich's issue.


>.<'

[The Professor?]

That is one of the most stupidest (sp?, word?) posts I have ever read.

Anybody who sees it is now dumber for having read it.

You are awarded no points.

And may god have mercy on your soul.

[Celtic34]

Originally Posted by OMAR

Aci, if you would bother at least to read the whole sentences you would get something extra than just your quotes, i perfectly understand what is your side and i repeat my position that is obviously with NONE of you but is also not against ANYBODY, wich seems to be the part that you do NOT understand.

Your quotes are perfectly selected just to give an idea, pretty much obvious by the way but i can handle your oposition, so i really dont mind.

I have stated how many times? 4 or 5 at least in the same day? that i was aware that llrich was the one more active IN the beginning, but then it was backwards eventhough he knew it was a deadline time and that this is a war, also, as previously stated and mentioned, llrich made a guess to be on the same time in the next day to wait for 2x without asking for a confirmation, then posted about being online "again" wich leads yet another issue for non-readers and 1 sided opinions like yours.

My point, my question and my detonator is: why, him being acknowledged of the situation would just blow up "his previous work" to try to get the game in and just disappear?

I take that as a lack of interest from him, just as any other tournament host would , or as in any other contenders situation where is the one who is "present" that should advance .



LOL

Nope, my sentence there was referring to bax vs cel, i dont know why aci quoted that to redirect it on this llrich's issue.


>.<'

oh yeah fool?